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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 12, 2009 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

" the market just CANNOT support the union wage (in many cases, not all) "

sorry bro but I have to call bullshit on that one. Every CEO gets bonuses and golden parachutes even when they tank a company and the masses want to defend that these companies can't afford it? This COuntry has out greeded itself and the masters who make the rules are the ones who have brainwashed the masses into doing their bidding. How else can people justify fighting against their own intersts?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

whether you call bullshit or not, the facts are the facts - unions, right now, are destroying vast expanses of corporations - not that the unions are the only reason of course, but are certainly a major culprit - it is, however, your right to disagree.


a few golden parachutes here and there are basically a drop in the bucket when compared to the union coffers, their wage greed, and absolute unwillingness to be realistic. i am not condoning the actions of some ceo's, but to compare that to the union problem is a bit misguided and naive on your part.

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2009-08-13 02:43:00

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 12, 2009 8:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

"the facts are the facts - unions, right now, are destroying vast expanses of corporations - not that the unions are the only reason of course, but are certainly a major culprit"

That's silly. Reaganite propaganda most likely.

For example, the myth of the $70/hr GM worker, which included management, the retired and all benefits. See http://mediamatters.org/columns/200811250012?f=h_column.

One little item also helps: General Motors spent $4400 per car on advertising, while Toyota spent $1100. Instead of killing the electric car they should have made green car and cleaned up in many ways all over the world.

Now why wouldn't Detroit do that?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 9:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

"That's silly. Reaganite propaganda most likely."


dont bury your head in the sand to ignore the stark reality.

(no offense intended, btw)

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 12, 2009 10:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

>>"That's silly. Reaganite propaganda most likely."


dont bury your head in the sand to ignore the stark reality.>>>

A nice way to support claims is to throw in some illustrative facts or examples. It appears you have none.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 10:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

being omnipotent, i find it difficult playing with others

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 13, 2009 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

Being impotent hinders that as well

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 13, 2009 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

lol !!

(your words speak truth Mr. NC)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 14, 2009 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

Call me Senator NC. I have had a lot of plastic surgery and conflicts of interest to get where I am.

Thank you,

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 13, 2009 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

niave? Hardly. I think it is you that is niave ny friend. AND not all unions are bad either. I'll take a journeyman electrician over some Joe F'n schmoe who learned all bout lectricity from back on the farm.

I understand what you're saying but then I also see they just don't always have the power you seem to think. My ex brother in law was a union railroad mechanic. About a decade ago they were talking about striking because the reailroad gave this sweet medical package to upper and middle management and the workers didn't get close to the same. Guess what happened - NOTHING. Or the local power line workers, I forgot what they were asking for but it was very reasonable and the power company spent BANK in glossy flyers etc. to fight it. Just know that these people you are defending will sell your ass out in a second.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 13, 2009 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

I dont think i said ALL unions are bad (i thought i wrote that clarification, but i dont remember now so could be wrong). And I by no means wish to defend all big corporations. I am simply being argumentative, even though i do agree that i am a bit anti-union (on a certain level).

i would have thought you knew me by now and my philosophy that arguing for the sake of arguing can be a form of entertainment. and using hyperbolic statements is just a fun way to ratchet up the fun factor a bit.

anyways.......

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

Go on my friend,your arguments have a lot more style than the filthy mouth NC!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

I won't try to reason with JOTS because it's like trying to screw a tadpole but be sure to bring up the fact that labor unions (which I was once part of) were created before labor laws were created to address the grievances brought by said union.

Child labor, overtime, etc... all protected by law now. So now they hold employers hostage and ship jobs overseas...

Just like civil rights movement, it was valid before CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS? Get it? You cannot lynch a black person anymore, you go to jail for murder, get it? You cannot discriminate against someone (unless they are a white male) you will get sued. The laws were created thanks to the original good intentions of these movements that like everything else has turned into a business, then a racket.

Women's suffrage movement is no longer needed so why are these other leeches still extorting us? They need this strife to be in business. If they did their jobs they would eliminate the need for themselves... oh wait that already happened.

Boycott the unions, boycott these fools who exploint the worst side of humanity for their own gains.

If they cannot "get it" and listen to reason, we may have to create a new country. I have tried to reason with people on this but they do not listen. They just call you racist and say bush was hitler and other empty talking points.

Who needs them?

PS we were all agreeing for awhile before he went off the deepend and started with personal insults so I will never directly address him again. If he is an old fart, he sure acts like a child.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

"They need this strife to be in business."

you could not be more correct in that assessment NC. it should be self-evident, and i could not have said it more succinctly myself.

Unions are HUUUUUUGE business!!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

" overtime, etc... all protected by law now. So now they hold employers hostage and ship jobs overseas... "

Actually if you look at right to work State law you might find that not everything is as protected as you think. And some of the jobs sold overseas are non union jobs because it's easier. I didn't make any personal attacks either, Dire called me Niave and I stated my opion that I thought that he was.

I'm glad you're not going to respond to me. I'll do the same.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 14, 2009 9:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

Perhaps I was a bit harsh, I will take back my childish comment about you being childish... two wrongs don't make a right.

I live in a right to work state, there are low corporate taxes and little union representation. That is why companies come to Florida, aside from the tax advantages.

Funny, we have no state income tax, few unions, few tollbooths, and even with lots of illegal immigrants; we are still somehow able to be less broke than CA.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 14, 2009 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

funny our two States have a lot in common. Except my State has oil revenue and recieves a ton of Federal money. I don't think it has anything to do with our labor laws in our case why we're so far escaping this mess.

I'm glad we're being civil.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 13, 2009 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

relax will you? I'm not all bent out of shape. Just a friendly discussion that I don't think I started but always have to chime in just like yourself. Trust me, I deal with extreme righties everyday up here, I can take it.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 13, 2009 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

Believe it or not,here I am snobbed at as being an extreme whitty because I vote Jen-Marie Le Pen to stop invasion of millions more immigratios that even the most relax deadhead would't want near his doorstep .In the sixties ,the same sort of snobs though I was too extreme lefty anarchist .If I was rich,they would only say I am an interesting original personality . I trust my onw opinions and I can also change opinions when I think it is relevent to do so . After all no one is perfect knowing it all on all subjects otherwise thy'd be nothing new to learn about,yes ?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 25, 2009 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Mentos commercial!

That is where you escaped from!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 25, 2009 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mentos commercial!

Pass the diet coke and stand well clear!

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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 12, 2009 4:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

Dont you think unions have become exactly what they were supposed to fight against? They've become so powerful that they can run a company in to the ground. It's practically impossible to fire the most incompetent employees. They want to eliminate secret ballots so that they can intimidate people to vote a certain way. I'll take my chances with a non-union job. Why? Because I will work harder than the guy next to me and deserve to be compensated for that. And if there's someone who can do a better job, then I guess I'll have to move on, but I'll take my chances.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 12, 2009 5:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

sure absolutely. I see incompentance being rewarded all the time. Unfortunatley the other side of the coin is some ( not all ) companies bring this on themselves too. Look at Walmart. They pretend the only way they can have cheap prices is by paying low wages and no benefits and yet the owners of the company are BILLIONAIRES several of them several times over. Or companies who are constantly cutting at the bottom but never at the top. All I'm saying is that alot of companies greed themselves into the place where workers have to organize for job security and yes it then turns into what you describe. I don't know what you do but most people can be disposed of at anytime, sold out for a dime cheaper if they decide. Their perogative sure, I just think it's s shame. Whether you hate Michael Moore or not theres a great quote in the movie the " Big One" where he asked this exec if he was a Billionaire and then he says " well couldn't you be a half a Billionaire"?

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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 12, 2009 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

The only problem with your logic JOTS is that they are billionaires because of stock appreciation, not from salary. Sam Walton, Bill Gates, etc probably never had salaries higher than any elite athlete. On top of that many employees became wealthy from the stock, even ones who never made more than 30-50k/yr. I dont disagree with all of your thoughts though...I do not like the pay for incompetence either. We really need to find a way to restructure corporate boards which are filled with cronies who rubber stamp everything for each other. That's where we need real change.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 12, 2009 9:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

I don't think my logic is flawed. If companies treat their employees good then production goes up and the feeling that they need to organize would go down. Therefore there would be no strangleholds as it should be. Everybody would win except like what I quoted the CEO's would have to settle for being half Billionaires. I'm not saying that any mandate or law to do that would ever work, I'm just saying it's a shame they don't so it on their own.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 12, 2009 6:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Mr. Earl Retires...Not Dead, Yet.

Don't you ever talk about the band?

But seriously I work with a guy who passed out on the floor in the basement of Sam Walton's house. He is a down home shoot it and eat it kinda guy apparently...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 12, 2009 7:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPc8wg_NMf8

http://www.onlylyrics.com/hits.php?grid=5&;id=1034380
Come on children
You're acting like children
Every generation thinks
its the end of the world

And all ya fat followers
Get fit fast
Every generation thinks it's the last
thinks its the end of the world

Yes dream down a well
There's a lone heavy hell
I don't care anymore
I don't care anymore
It's a feeling we transcend
We're here at the end
I don't care anymore
I don't care anymore
You never know

Come on kids
You're acting like children
Act your age
Put back the black metals and pearls
All ya sword-swallowers pull yourselves together
Every generation thinks its the worst
Thinks it's the end of the world

It's a secret I can't tell
There's a wish down a well
I don't care anymore
I don't care anymore
It's a long heavy hell
Super-size it by 10
I don't care anymore
I don't care anymore
You never know
You never know

It's a dear to transcend
Everyone here, at the end

I don't care anymore
I don't care anymore
I don't care anymore
I don't care anymore
You never know

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 12, 2009 9:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Huh?

Dang! That tune actually means something to me now. Thanks BD. I've only been hearing the chorus

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 12, 2009 10:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Huh?

And I bet you'll appreciate this news:

The Meat Puppets Confirm Tour, Red Rocks with Ween

Alternative rock trio the Meat Puppets will open its fall tour with a pair of early September co-headlining dates alongside Ween at the Pine Mountain Amphitheatre in Flagstaff, AZ and the Red Rocks Amphitheatre in Morrison, CO. The band will be touring in support of their twelfth and latest studio album Sewn Together, a follow up to their 2007 reunion album, Rise to Your Knees.

Following the two select dates with Ween, the Meat Puppets will tour heavily through the end of September with Athens, Georgia’s Dead Confederate. Dates with the Dead Confederate include September 17 at the Belly Up in San Diego, the Wonder Ballroom in Portland, Oregon on September 22, and Boulder, Colorado’s Fox Theatre for the tour closer on September 26. The Meat Puppet’s will hit the road again for a busy month of November featuring a three night run at Schubas in Chicago and six show run in the Northeast culminating at Philadelphia’s World Café on Nov 28.

More new Wilco:

I'll go, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go for you
I'll fight, I'll fight, I'll fight, I'll fight for you
I'll kill, I'll kill, I'll kill, I'll kill for you
I will, I will, I will

I'll go,I'll go, I'll go, I'll go for you
I'll fight, I'll fight, I'll fight, I'll fight for you
I'll die, I'll die, I'll die, I'll die for you
I will, I will, I will

And if I die
I'll die
I'll die alone on some
Forgotten hill
Abandoned by the mill
All my blood will
Spring and spill
I'll thrash the air and then be still

You'll wait
With the star from a dream
And know that I am gone
You'll feel it in your heart
But not for very long
You'll rise each day as planed
Your will is your command
And stand each Sunday
A hymnal steady in your hand
You'll sing to yourself
The rising-falling melody
That you could never read
Without the choirs' lead
Still alone, and lost in deep
And your soul will not be free

I will go , I will go, I will go
And in wars waters
I will wade
And I will know
If I remorse or regret
The fairness of our trade
For you to live
I took your place
A deal was made
And I was paid
And the goal as I was told
Was a place where my body could be laid
And we will steal your life
And die old
In better homes surrounded
By your peers
Without suffering or fear
Grandchildren far and near
And none will shed a tear
For the love no longer here

I'll go, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go for you
I will
I'll fight, I'll fight,I'll fight, I'll fight for you
I will, I will, I will
I'll kill, I'll kill, I'll kill, I'll kill for you
I will
I'll die, I'll die, I'll die, I'll die for you
I will, I will, I will

And if I die
I'll die
I'll die alone like Jesus
On a cross
My faith cannot by tossed
And my life will not be lost
If my love comes across

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 13, 2009 12:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Huh?

If this Vishnou Y saw th other day asked me to trust him,'cause he knew wher to find my gardens,I'd go with Him and never look back !

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 13, 2009 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Huh?

I wish Ween would come back up here. From what I hear they're too strung out to travel this far anymore

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 8:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Huh?

it WILL, however, truly be the end of the world when the Cubs win a world series - man, pedro didnt look great, and they still couldnt score (much)

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